it was important but nothing really has happened. when this happened, i became very popular with bob rubin, the treasury secretary, and president clinton. the fact was, that demotto and phil graham were outraged and said, you are wrong. and jesse said, no, read the jurisdiction. sure enough, he was right. i use that as but one example. when i say framing america's interests, again, this has been noted tonight as john kerry talked about -- economics, trade, relationships, stability, security, diplomacy, everything, everything revolves around the foreign relations committee and most of it recites inside the foreign relations committee. -- resides inside the committee. as noted here, too, the up and down of committee, not unlike markets, not unlike nations, which are clearly recounted in history, you work through those waves of different committees at different times. but when john kerry talk tonight about arthur vandenberg's comment, and everybody on the committee knows it. let me take that a little further. that comment was made by a republican senator who had been a bit of an isolationist